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Please Stop Permitting Anonymous Postings

Enough of the anonymous postings of comments on the Patch. I urge the Patch to establish standards similar to the print media in this area!

The New York Times, the New York Post, the Wall St Journal, Newsday, and nearly every print media refuses to publish Letters to the Editors unless they can identify and confirm the identity of the writer. This is done for many reasons, but a few seem applicable to the Patch, as well.

1. Anonymous posters often feel free to make claims, disparaging comments, accusations, etc., to a far larger extent than they would if their identities were disclosed.

2. Often, two or more anonymous posters go back and forth, accusing each other, calling each other names, etc.

3. There is far too much unrelated comment made attached to articles or Blogs. While I fully believe that anyone and everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to express it openly, when someone posts under an alias or assumed name, it reminds me of the Old West, when mobs just strung someone up and hung them, often under disguise of masks or other devices.

4. Is there a way to control the polarizing tone of some of these posts? One can fully express his opinion without resorting to name calling.

5. Shouldn't anyone who feels strongly enough to take the time and effort to post a comment, have the courage of his convictions, and publicly take a stand?

 

I urge the Patch to adopt certain standards and seriously consider banning posts by anonymous posters. You wouldn't write an article without checking the sources, would you?

 

We must begin to return to civility and conversation instead of this bickering and polarization.

 

Thank You!

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Nassau Taxpayer April 17, 2012 at 02:12 am
Argument stands on its own; draw your conclusions based on the words, not the identity of the debater.
Robert J. Pape, Jr. April 17, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I agree with Mr. Brody. The internet is a new form of communication and free speech. What seems to have been lost in this new technology is the responsibility that was always a key component of free speech.Free and open debate is the cornerstone of our democratic society and I will always defend it. However, free and open debate, to be meaningful,requires a person take ownership of his or her own views and is willing to advocate them in a responsible and civil manner. In this way, we are all better for the debate. Many are using the free speech of the internet as a means to disparage,defame and anonymously attack those with opposing views. I think this pattern of behavior is an abuse of our fundamental right of free speech, conducted mostly by those who cowardly seek to intentionally cause harm and division as opposed to seeking positive change for all. Thank you.
matteo April 17, 2012 at 12:55 pm
There's good and bad in everything. If we use real names, then we tend to be politically correct, and honesty could suffer. In the 18th century, many of the best pamphlets posted by the colonists against the British were posted anonymously. But there's much to be said for full disclosure. Some loose nut could go to your home and bomb it because he didn't like what you said. But we'd at least know (1) who said what and (2) who got bombed for too much honesty.
What do you think, Bob?
Robert J. Pape, Jr. April 17, 2012 at 01:40 pm
Good points indeed my friend. The internet offers the best and the worst to our society. I still think responsibility plays a part in its use. Having been the victim of a vicious cyber attack which lasted several years, I can tell you it takes a heavy toll on the victim and the victim's family. Personally I would love to know who was behind the personal attack on me, and in all honesty, if I found out, political correctness would go out the window and the remedy of self help would take over. This being said, I think that free speech belongs on the internet and I will defend it even for those who abuse it through irresponsibility. Thanks for your comment.
Richard Brody April 17, 2012 at 03:20 pm
This is NOT about limiting free speech in any way! This is NOT about censorship! This is about decency and responsibility. Every day there are examples of inflammatory statements being made on the internet, predominantly by individuals who for some reason hide behind the cloak of internet invisibility! My personal reaction and the reaction to most people I have asked is that when a comment is made by someone using an assumed name, either the person has something to hide, lacks the courage of his convictions, or is afraid to let others know what he thinks. I urge anonymous posters to continue making positive statements and giving feedback and critiques, but do so under your own name. That way we all know there is no hidden agenda. My question is-- Why are you NOT using your own identity to voice your opinion? I may disagree with you, but I defend each person's right to free speech!
Robert J. Pape, Jr. April 17, 2012 at 06:31 pm
Well said Mr. Brody.
matteo April 17, 2012 at 06:39 pm
Those who sling hyperbole, falsehoods, jibberish etc and raise ad hominem attacks can be easily discarded by a click of the mouse, and relegated to the dungheap.
I like my privacy, I feel like the invisible man, let me be. I also think Bob is a great guy who got a very raw deal.
John D. Reckenhouser April 17, 2012 at 09:13 pm
Have people use real names and have it checked out, this Nassau Taxpayer has something to say about everything. I think a few months ago former Mayor Capozzi asked to meet with him because he had nothing good to say about him or the Village, needless to say he is a coward.
John D. Reckenhouser April 17, 2012 at 09:14 pm
Take a walk you must really be a malcontent.
John D. Reckenhouser April 17, 2012 at 09:15 pm
He is a coward takes shots at people but won't stand up to them or confront them.
John D. Reckenhouser April 17, 2012 at 09:17 pm
Mr. Pape you're 1000% correct, the Patch needs to reform it's ways.
Nassau Taxpayer April 17, 2012 at 09:23 pm
Grow up.
Peter Bengelsdorf April 17, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Richard, it's true that the Times, Post, Journal and Newsday do not permit unsigned letters to the editor in print, but on their Web sites they have posts signed with one-word pseudonymns, usually even more opaque than "Nassau Taxpayer." The quality of online discussion depends more on two other things: the quality of the media organization and the nature of its audience; and the willingness of the organization to monitor message boards, which takes work, and thus, money.
Nassau Taxpayer April 17, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Not to mention "John D. Reckenhouser".
Average Port April 18, 2012 at 07:04 pm
Goes back to if you can not take the heat get out of the kitchen. Keep it as it is. If you do not like what someone writes in the comment portion than don't read it
Richard Brody April 19, 2012 at 03:32 pm
Scott, the point is NOT simply that one can ignore something they don't like. It is ALL about the credibility of someone who comment without being willing to stand up for their position/ideals, etc. This is NOT about freedom of expression, but rather about honesty and integrity and courage.
Pam Robinson (Editor) April 19, 2012 at 08:41 pm
People have the right to say what they want but an organization does not have to provide the platform for it, which I think is Richard's point. We have just gone to a system that allows more moderation tools so that we can more prevent some of the more vicious lies and foul language from being posted on these sites. The ugliness of some commenters has stopped others from posting here because they don't want to be attacked, which is not useful to any community.
Richard Brody April 20, 2012 at 02:50 pm
Thanks Pam for taking measures to assure fairness, and hopefully more courage.
Nassau Taxpayer April 20, 2012 at 06:32 pm
True, but who says "John D. Reckenhouser" isn't an assumed name?
Helen April 24, 2012 at 12:14 am
Dahlia, well said. Plain and simple what a lot of the discussions on this board have turned into are bullying matches that speak volumes of the parties involved.
I am all for anonymity. How are you to know my true identity anyway? I could post a full first and last name - maybe I just picked one from the phone book - what will you ask next - for my ss #? In this day and age you need to protect yourself from many situations and many people. Sorry, Charlie - but it only takes one whacko to hurt me or my family. What I am tired of are the incessant stupid posts that are so inflammatory and childish. If you really need to kill the day, then go find a website dedicated to games. Don't play any here.
Richard Brody April 24, 2012 at 02:38 pm
If the reason that people want to remain anonymous, as Helen and a couple of others see to imply, is fear of recriminations, and the desire for free speech, isn't that an awful reflection on our society? Other than complaining and stating issues, little is ever accomplished by those who do not dare to take a stand. Action generally occurs when someone motivates others to their cause and beliefs, and how does that occur when the identity is anonymous? When people do not unite and stand up against what's wrong, wrong generally wins. It is similar to when a politician circumvents certain election protocol by having some unidentified PAC make accusations and inflammatory statements, rather than saying them himself. In society, there must be standards. Have we gotten to such a point that there no longer is the civility to have honest differences of opinions without fear of recrimination? Isn't it just a little TOO EASY for someone to be "brave" and write something he wouldn't say publicly? I guess I just don't get this type of blame without responsibility behavior as being the right way to go. I hope we are better than that!
Nassau Taxpayer April 24, 2012 at 05:21 pm
Indeed; can't wait for the assumed name "John D. Reckenhouser" to chime in.
Helen April 25, 2012 at 12:18 am
This discussion could go back and forth forever. If, as you stated, my reason to stay anonymous is in part, the desire for free speech - then I don't get your stand on how that is an awful reflection of our society. I do however agree that fear of recrimination is part of people's decisions to safely 'hide' behind a screen name. In no way is that a bad thing; it is a sad reflection of what our society has become - but as I stated earlier - one nut is one nut too many. Who would rush to my defense then?
Anonymity is not a bad thing. What the root of the problem is with these 'anonymous' postings isn't the anonymity, but the stupidity.
JC April 25, 2012 at 02:49 am
While there are some on these boards that seem sensible and civil, there aren't that many people on internet boards that seem to be interested in motivating others to their point in a civil manner. People seem to go on the boards to bash other people's views argue and make judgements. Whether you show your identity or not you can still have a hidden agenda. What would showing ones identity achieve? Would you confront them in the market and demand explanations? I think in the Patch's case they seem to do a good job of removing comments that are unfounded but I think they can go further. Delete comments that dont have any bearing on a topic or that devolve into senseless immature exchanges. I can understand Richards point of trying to restore civility but I dont think the root of it is anonymous posting. The internet has opened the door for people to try to draw attention to themselves with outrageous posts. That pandoras box is not closing just because there is a name attached.
Danny April 27, 2012 at 12:17 am
Some of the problems are that people always want to say what they want and all that is great. But sometimes people live in fear for what they say or feel can hurt someones livelyhood. Everyone wants to say the bad things about stuff, but no one wants to accept responsibility once its said. When people sign annonomous, it could be fear, or it just could be a lie to hurt another person. Either way with the freedom of speech implemented all over the place, garbage can be said and unfortunately its that person right to a extent that it can be said... Even bull Sh?!?!?! can be stated about anyone and there is no defense anymore. The Patch should only allow people to state what they want with 100 verification of who they are. That would solve all the problems. Thats up to the Patch to decide whats best for them to do and i will respect 100%. They are nice people over there and they do work very hard. Either way im ok with whatever they choose....
Marty Heyman April 27, 2012 at 01:56 pm
Matteo (and Bob),
Anonymity is fine as long as we recognize that in anonymity one's words have to be heavily discounted as they may well come from a political operative or even a commercial concern wishing to sway public opinion. It WAS a problem with the broadsheets and relatively few of the more egregious broadsheets survived. The NY and Philadelphia papers knew who the Federalists and their antagonists were so the anonymity was somewhat specious.
Marty Heyman April 27, 2012 at 02:09 pm
Dahlia (and Helen),
I think we're ALL glad you are expressing your opinions. I KNOW we're ALL glad you vote as that is essential and appropriately anonymous. The difference here is that people post, generally, to sway opinion and convince others of the soundness of their ideas. The reason that big-name pundits and bloggers and journalists get listened to is because people know their work and therefore their biases and their institutional associations. Anonymous speech is fine but heavily discounted without some context (who it comes from, who they might represent, etc.).
Nassau Taxpayer April 27, 2012 at 02:13 pm
"The reason that big-name pundits and bloggers and journalists get listened to is because people know their work and therefore their biases and their institutional associations."
"Listened to"? LOL! Most with known biases and affiliations are immediately discounted except by their own acolytes. They'd be better off commenting anonymously. Argument stands on its own; draw your conclusions based on the words, not the identity of the debater.
jonathan winant August 10, 2012 at 08:44 pm
Unfortunate that many of the time wasting posts come from people who may not be but surely sound nutty. It's the nutty part of our population which are costing taxpayers and governments so much money.
I for one am not above telling you who I am. I am Jonathan W. from Port Washington I have my opinions as does others but i do not unjustifiably bash someone unless they are just posting to start trouble. That is not the good natured purpose of this type of forum. Some people need to take their soap box some where else where they may have a more captivating audience
jonathan winant August 10, 2012 at 08:48 pm
Nassau Taxpayer:
Nothing
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Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Nassau Taxpayer June 14, 2013 at 03:26 pm
Particularly out of line since it's a shared-use puddle for camp groups splashing, not a good poolRead More venue for individuals swimming.
jonathan winant June 16, 2013 at 03:17 pm
The TONH should be under some investigation for charging such a high fee for a very short summerRead More season. You lose most of june and the pool closes in early September. Better off paying as you go just purchase the parking permit which is good at the Manorhaven Pool and the Harbor beach. Stop buying a season pass in protest to the yearly excessive price increase.
Nassau Taxpayer June 16, 2013 at 04:29 pm
And speaking of investigations, what's up with Jonny's Roslyn CC fiasco?